Opinion on a dodgy looking 'irish cross'

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Opinion on a dodgy looking 'irish cross'

Postby the_power on Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:38 am

Hey, someone asked on another forum what is in this photo. Personally, I think it's a modern interpretation of an Irish Stone Cross, but with modern 'celtic' knotwork etc.

Anyone got a different opinion ?

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Re: Opinion on a dodgy looking 'irish cross'

Postby Dave Mooney on Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:57 am

I like it's hero light!
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Re: Opinion on a dodgy looking 'irish cross'

Postby bannerman on Mon Jan 19, 2009 3:24 pm

The eagle / pheonix on the base is completely modern in style - but the notwork is nicely done.
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Re: Opinion on a dodgy looking 'irish cross'

Postby Swifty on Mon Jan 19, 2009 4:13 pm

Yeah John - I agree with Bannerman - it's relatively modern, the proportions are far too stocky too.
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Re: Opinion on a dodgy looking 'irish cross'

Postby Sgt. Buckingham on Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:52 am

It looks like 'Prison Art' .... stuff made by prisoners in the wookshop. The Phoenix rising was a particular favourate of republican prisoners in the '70 & '80 which they put on alot of their stuff. :|
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Re: Opinion on a dodgy looking 'irish cross'

Postby bannerman on Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:56 am

Naw, Its not Prison art. The pheonix isnt the same style as the one used by modern republican groupings - also the carving and detail are far superior to anything Ive seen even the stuff from Frongoch in 1916. In art history style id say that the knotwork on the head of the cross looks slightly more scottish than Irish in style.

"The Phoenix rising was a particular favourate of republican prisoners in the '70 & '80 "


Only one particular branch of republicanism used it to any extent "out of the ashes blah blah..." However Irish Republicans have been using the pheonix since at least the 1850's ie O Donovan Rossa and the Pheonix society in Skibbereen.
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Re: Opinion on a dodgy looking 'irish cross'

Postby Sgt. Buckingham on Sun Jan 25, 2009 12:25 pm

You may well be right, P! ;) and we are only working off a picture here.

To me and it is only my option, it looks like some of the stuff I saw and handled in the early 80's. Same symbolism type thing but I'm no expert! :o
Do'nt know about knots or any of that stuff. All I will say is that the standard of work at that time went from very basic to very, very impressive.

Alot of the stuff made it's way to the states to raise 'funds'.

Talking about the states, how's Texas?
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Re: Opinion on a dodgy looking 'irish cross'

Postby bannerman on Sun Jan 25, 2009 6:25 pm

Hiya Dave,
Texas was great am just back today. They say everythings bigger in Texas - Well you know its true when they sell antique cannons in gunshops in Houston!!! :lol: I have the contact details of the shop and its address for the next time your over - it has some amazing leather equipment and other militaria on sale too. Bring your credit card.
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