Stephen Curtin wrote:First I would like to know if the leine was still being used by the 1640's or was everyone pritty much wearing english fashioned clothing?
Stephen Curtin wrote:What armour if any was used by Irish troops at this time? From what I know, Irish forces during the confederate wars were supplied with arms from the French, the Spanish and from Rome but I cant find any reference to armour. What I did find on wikipedia was "Rinuccini sent ahead arms and ammunition, 1000 braces of pistols, 4000 cartridge belts, 2000 swords, 500 muskets and 20,000 pounds of gunpowder. He arrived twelve days later with a further two thousand muskets and cartridge-belts, four thousand swords, four hundred brace of pistols, two thousand pike-heads, and twenty thousand pounds of gunpowder, fully-equipped soldiers and sailors and 150,658 livres tournois to finance the Irish Catholic war effort." but I have yet to come across references to what Spain supplied to Eoghan Rua Ó Néill and his men before they left for Ireland.
Stephen Curtin wrote:As for the above mentioned swords, does anyony know what type they were or where they were bought as it might help to id them? Were swords with ring pommels still popular in Ireland at this time?
Stephen Curtin wrote:Another thing that has been bothering me is that most sources say that the Irish infantry of this time was composed of roughly half pikemen and musketeers yet I have also heard stories of the famous highland charge being pioneered by Alasdair MacColla in Ulster at this time. The thing is, to be effective the highland charge needs men to fire there guns at close range, drop them and then run in with broadswords and targes before the enemy has time to reload but how do you carry a targe when your main weapon is a pike or a musket? So do you think that as well as pikemen and musketeers there were some sword and targe men? or maybe the Irish infantry did not use targes amd simply dropped their pikes and muskets and charged with swords and scians.
Stephen Curtin wrote:On a simular note does anyone know how popular targes and baskethilt broadswords were in Ireland?
Stephen Curtin wrote:Finnally we come to the cavalry. What equipment was used by the cavalry and dragoons of the confederate and williamite wars? I'm assuming that these men could probably afford to supply there own arms and armour so references may be hard to come by.
Stephen Curtin wrote:The only thing I could find out about the confederate cavalry was that they were mostly armed as lancers in the Spanish fashion. Spanish lancers of this time were armed with a lance (obviously), a sword and a suit of half armour (meaning a helmet, gorgot, cuirass, tassets, pauldrons, vambrais and gauntlets) but I find it a little hard to belive that all but the richest Irish lords could afford such equipment.
Stephen Curtin wrote:There is a painting made in 1680 of Neil O'Neill who fought and died leading a unit of dragoons at the battle of the boyne 1690. The painting show him in fashioable clothing for the time, armed with a short spear/javalin, a pritty big targe covered with plain red leather and a baskethilt broadsword and scian at his belt. Do you think that spears/javalins were still being used in battle or is this just ceremonial?
euryalus wrote:I think a point which might be made here is that, during the wars of the 17th century, Scottish tactics and equipment differed from those of the English armies in several respects - Scottish pikes, for example, were said to have been shorter than the standard 16 ft English pikes. It is reasonable to assume that Irish officers and soldiers who had fought on the Royalist side in England during the civil war would have followed English military traditions. There are, in fact, numerous references to Irishmen serving in the King's Army - in fact, this was a source of particular annoyance among the Parliamentarians who seem to have regarded them as personal enemies.
euryalus wrote:A book entitled "The History of the Warr of Ireland from 1641 to 1653" by "a British Officer of the Regiment of Sir John Clotsworthy" suggests that the pikes used by Owen Roe's men at the Battle of Benburb in 1646 were longer, and better-designed than those of the Scots, while a few years earlier, in the late Tudor period, there were reports of Tyrone's men being uniformly-clad in red coats and morion helmets "like English Soldiers".
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