Ecclesiastical art in Early Medieval Ireland

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Ecclesiastical art in Early Medieval Ireland

Postby oleg on Fri Jun 06, 2008 4:04 pm

I want this thread to be dedicated to the ecclesiastical art and problems with using it as a source for re-enactment.

Let's talk about facts. Many people say that saints from ecclesiastical sources are similar to the Byzantine/Copthic depictions. It would be good get such valuable pictures(as well as many others) in this thread. With such demonstration we can help people with making their own decision and get more information about the subject.

Other subjects to discuss:
- conversion to Christianity, early Christian art, examples from other regions;
- early ecclesiastical art in other regions(Europe), before Irish influence and after;
- dress of early medieval monks/saints from other regions;
- depiction of people in ecclesiastical art (Ireland): following defined canons or depiction of local people/local style

I will be more then happy to get people with facts here.
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Re: Ecclesiastical art in Early Medieval Ireland

Postby oleg on Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:10 pm

I'm starting with myself.
Byzantine Evangelist portrait of Luke, 10th century
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Codex Aureus of Lorsch, illumination of Christ in Majesty, written between 778-820
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Re: Ecclesiastical art in Early Medieval Ireland

Postby oleg on Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:13 pm

6th century Rossano Gospels, one of the oldest extant Gospel Books
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Re: Ecclesiastical art in Early Medieval Ireland

Postby oleg on Sat Jun 07, 2008 7:35 am

Icon of St. Antony and St. Paul, 6 - 7 century, coptic source
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6th C coptic
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Re: Ecclesiastical art in Early Medieval Ireland

Postby oleg on Sun Jun 08, 2008 6:03 am

The thread is not so popular, but I'll continue with posting.
Ok, here it comes image of St.Luke from Book of MacDurnan, 9th C gospels.

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You can get better images if you want to see details.
But what I want to show is footwear. Same footwear you can see on St. Matthew(don't have image in electronic format).What does it look like?
Another interesting detail is crozier.
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Re: Ecclesiastical art in Early Medieval Ireland

Postby the_power on Sun Jun 08, 2008 6:54 am

This is great stuff. It's wonderful to have these...I have made a pair of shoes based on the ones st. Luke is wearing! The sets of three white dots...I've seen them before in other images. Does anyone know what they signify ?

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Re: Ecclesiastical art in Early Medieval Ireland

Postby oleg on Sun Jun 08, 2008 8:22 am

I don't know, John. But may be some other sources will help us. May be a book "The bishops' synod..." that Triona mentioned in another thread http://livinghistory.ie/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=226#p1742
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Re: Ecclesiastical art in Early Medieval Ireland

Postby oleg on Mon Jun 09, 2008 4:55 am

Nothing new, just Muiredach's High Cross, arrest of the Christ.
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Take a look on fibula.
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Re: Ecclesiastical art in Early Medieval Ireland

Postby wiblick on Mon Jun 09, 2008 8:30 am

I believe the 3 white dots represent the holy trinity so not something I'd be putting on my clothing, unless you are a saint...
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Re: Ecclesiastical art in Early Medieval Ireland

Postby carraig on Mon Jun 09, 2008 9:48 am

The idea of the dots being a trinity symbol might be the case.
As to shoes, I've mentioned it elsewhere, but those seen above and Matthew's footwear from BoK are somewhat similar to Lucas 1, so we have at least some corresponse between art and dug up goodies.

Now for my piece of data:

Clonmacnoise, Cross of Scriptures, a priest and a warrior, 9th c.

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Ibidem , a pair of chieftains, 9th c.

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Note the priests cloak, the fringe shape would suggest a rectangle.
Also a curious one - look at the brooches on chieftains - they're more like disk brooches found in Dublin. The pommels of swords look disturbingly vike.
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