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Christchurch place, need to identify an artifact

Postby oleg on Mon Sep 13, 2010 4:21 pm

Hi,

Do you know artifact that lays on the sword? Could you help to identify it?
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I think, it's a collar. My friend guessed that it could be part of the purse, something similar to the purse from
http://fornvannen.se/pdf/1930talet/1939_045.pdf

Any other suggestions?

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Re: Christchurch place, need to identify an artifact

Postby Billy on Tue Sep 14, 2010 2:38 pm

I'm with you on the collar. A slave collar, or dog collar, as seen in the national museum.
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Re: Christchurch place, need to identify an artifact

Postby oleg on Tue Sep 14, 2010 3:39 pm

Thanks, Billy.
These objects and composition might bear some symbolic meaning, I guess related to the rise of Dublin.
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Re: Christchurch place, need to identify an artifact

Postby the_power on Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:44 pm

Given that Dublin was setup as a slave-catching (and eventually trading) outpost, I'd say it's likely intended as a collar. That said, the collar(s?) found in Lagore were considered so well-worked, that they looked too good for slaves; some thought they might be suitable for favoured pets.

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Re: Christchurch place, need to identify an artifact

Postby brendan on Thu Sep 16, 2010 3:04 pm

If slaves were worth the hassle of traveliing all this way for then surely they were worth the hassle of a good collar to make sure they didnt run off?
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Re: Christchurch place, need to identify an artifact

Postby the_power on Thu Sep 16, 2010 3:15 pm

"Good" could mean "solid, indestructible" or "Lovingly created, shiny, polished, fine, with all the edges rounded off".

Though it's hard to work out what the relationship between slaves and their owners were. It could have been closer to modern live-in servants, rather than the serious abuse of stereotypes we get of African-American slaves up until the 1860s or modern Irish indentured-labour in the 1930s.

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Re: Christchurch place, need to identify an artifact

Postby brendan on Thu Sep 16, 2010 3:33 pm

I suppose the place to start would be some research into the sale price of slaves during the period in question. If we take the value of a Cumal for a female slave and a Heifer for a Male we get a sense of what the legal price was in this neck of the woods (going off memory there so the male value may be inaccurate).
However the market price may have (did) differ and the question becomes to what extent. A Cumal was worth 3 milch cows = a few ounces of silver. Certainly an investment worth looking after.
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Re: Christchurch place, need to identify an artifact

Postby oleg on Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:44 am

the_power wrote:some thought they might be suitable for favored pets.


John, what if slaves were "favored pets"?
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Re: Christchurch place, need to identify an artifact

Postby Freebeard on Fri Sep 17, 2010 4:43 pm

What about hostages? Political hostages that is, which were sometimes fettered. Some hostages retained some level of status, so could it be seen that a well made and decorated collar may reflect the status of the hostage in question?
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Re: Christchurch place, need to identify an artifact

Postby Billy on Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:51 pm

Hostages are my vote. Slaves were not kept in chains as far as I am aware, but hostages were.
Mind you, in Viking Dublin, things were likely different.
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