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headgear in Ireland

Postby oldrat on Mon Feb 22, 2010 1:54 pm

collecting Irish set
I got a problem
what hats Irish have in the 9 11 century
who can give good advice
a hat it would be correct to use?
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Re: headgear in Ireland

Postby oldrat on Sat Feb 27, 2010 6:26 am

I have a few ideas on this subject
first
that could be Leine with a hood, constitute a single unit
next
hood of type of blessing hedebyu
or similar design
third
could be used as a raincoat and hat, throw it on the head
is all that concerns man's

about women
I know that there is a cap from Dublin
and the image of the Virgin
that it tells me that Irish women could use handkerchiefs for this
but this is only thought
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Re: headgear in Ireland

Postby the_power on Mon Mar 01, 2010 10:28 pm

It's hard to go wrong with a phrygrian hat. Seems to work any period from 1000BC to 1500AD. Though, I'm not sure if they were in Ireland.

On hooded leinte - is there a concensus on accurate or not ? I made up a linen one ( http://pix.ie/kamilkrawczak/1076225/in/album/346995 ) and it looks really cool, as well as being practical on a warm day. You'd want a hooded wool leine for real warmth/waterproofing, and I've not tried one of those.

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Re: headgear in Ireland

Postby Morcant on Tue Mar 02, 2010 12:19 am

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This hood was found in the Orkney and is early medieval. It is probably a pictish garnment however, as similar hoods are depicted on class-2 pictish stones.

You can find every information you need about it (like measurements, stitches, fringes) here, page 9 onwards:
http://ads.ahds.ac.uk/catalogue/adsdata ... 01_029.pdf

Note it is labelled 'viking' there, more because of belonging to the 'viking' era, yet the datation could be pre-viking, and has probably been reconsidered since. Yet, this is a really interesting garnment for North-western early medieval Europe.
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Re: headgear in Ireland

Postby brendan on Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:51 am

excellent! I thought there was only one extant hood from the time period - and that from northern Scandinavia

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Re: headgear in Ireland

Postby oleg on Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:27 am

I know about this find from Orkney. For me it's just a good example of how weird medieval clothing could be. Our knowledge of textiles is very limited due to small amount of finds survived. The variety of forms that were in fashion could be unusual and surprising.
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Re: headgear in Ireland

Postby finnobreanan on Tue Mar 02, 2010 7:00 pm

Morcant wrote:Image
This hood was found in the Orkney and is early medieval. It is probably a pictish garnment however, as similar hoods are depicted on class-2 pictish stones.

You can find every information you need about it (like measurements, stitches, fringes) here, page 9 onwards:
http://ads.ahds.ac.uk/catalogue/adsdata ... 01_029.pdf

Note it is labelled 'viking' there, more because of belonging to the 'viking' era, yet the datation could be pre-viking, and has probably been reconsidered since. Yet, this is a really interesting garnment for North-western early medieval Europe.

Benjamin,

This is a very interesting example. I've never seen this one.

Alexander,

If you don't already have these two books, I highly recommend them:
Dress in Ireland: A History by Mairead Dunlev
http://www.allbookstores.com/book/97818 ... tory.htmly

Old Irish and Highland Dress by H. F. McClintock
http://scotpress.com/catalog/books-abou ... dress-p-93
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Re: headgear in Ireland

Postby oldrat on Wed Mar 03, 2010 3:56 am

thanks
I know that this is a very good book
and going to buy them
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Re: headgear in Ireland

Postby panda on Wed Mar 03, 2010 8:28 pm

In a Guide to Early Irish Law by Fergus Kelly he mentions that the wife of a priest had to wear a veil or he could be removed from the church. I'll check up the exact reference later to get a date for that but it is most likely earlier. Though I doubt you are looking for stuff on women's clothing
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Re: headgear in Ireland

Postby oldrat on Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:54 am

Female headdresses me too interested
I can of course be wrong, but in Christianity, whether Orthodox, Catholic, Protestant
women in the churches should cover their head
Well, in the Russian Orthodox Church, women must enter the temple with his head covered, men also need to be in church without hats
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