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Postby kevin714 on Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:28 am

Could this kindjal pass as an irish scian? And why doesn't anyone but irish arms make replicas of irish scians?
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Re: Scians

Postby tommyargue on Fri Jul 24, 2009 10:54 am

I gott hese scian dubh from "Hill Interiors " in the U.K. Their collection is quite good and the service is excellent.
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Re: Scians

Postby brendan on Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:39 am

are you looking for something that you could take onto a battlefield (hard with the particular knife shape); something that looks OK and is good value or something that is exquisitely crafted (but will cost you)?

There are a lot of guys out there capable of producing each type

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Re: Scians

Postby kevin714 on Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:21 pm

brendan wrote:are you looking for something that you could take onto a battlefield (hard with the particular knife shape); something that looks OK and is good value or something that is exquisitely crafted (but will cost you)?

There are a lot of guys out there capable of producing each type

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My first priority is something that is historically accurate.
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Re: Scians

Postby brendan on Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:44 pm

well, if you are looking for something that is 100% right you could always try Tod... http://www.todsstuff.co.uk/knives.php - truly exceptional stuff (Just don't take it on a battlefield)

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Re: Scians

Postby Swifty on Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:49 pm

tommyargue wrote:I gott hese scian dubh from "Hill Interiors " in the U.K. Their collection is quite good and the service is excellent.

The scian-dubh is wholly inaccurate for use as a substitute for a scian. The scian-dubh is a relatively modern phenomena and is centuries later in date and bears no comparison in dimensions. Also the handle furniture is in the style of the British ballock dagger which is not the same as the Irish scian. Kev, the kindjal you have posted would need to be straigtened by filing down the back at the tip-end, and then - maybe - it would be 'passable'.
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Re: Scians

Postby tommyargue on Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:28 pm

Swifty wrote:
tommyargue wrote:I gott hese scian dubh from "Hill Interiors " in the U.K. Their collection is quite good and the service is excellent.

The scian-dubh is wholly inaccurate for use as a substitute for a scian. The scian-dubh is a relatively modern phenomena and is centuries later in date and bears no comparison in dimensions. Also the handle furniture is in the style of the British ballock dagger which is not the same as the Irish scian. Kev, the kindjal you have posted would need to be straigtened by filing down the back at the tip-end, and then - maybe - it would be 'passable'.


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Re: Scians

Postby Dave Mooney on Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:30 pm

I'm nearly sure the Scian that Irish Arms do, and the one in question, has two different sections along its length also. A bit of a bugger to forge and not all knife makers will be arsed going to the trouble. Also, they come to a slender point so taking that off for field combat wrecks the look of it. Irish arms model has the best compromise between authenticity and field eligibility...I reckon.

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Re: Scians

Postby finnobreanan on Wed Aug 05, 2009 6:14 pm

The scian I bought from Irish Arms is very accurate in every detail. It is identical to the one illustrated in the Ashmolean Mueum's print of Irish Chieftains. The one shown shown above are not right.
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Re: Scians

Postby kevin714 on Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:57 pm

Can you post a picture?
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