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Re: Irish Warrior

Postby finnobreanan on Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:32 pm

Kevin,
That paper looks very interesting, so I did a quick search and the whole document is available online:
http://www.slashdocs.com/vqmi/armour-an ... eland.html

Thanks for the heads-up.
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Re: Irish Warrior

Postby templarcommander on Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:10 pm

Excellent stuff lads,

thanks again. Learning at its best :-)
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Re: Irish Warrior

Postby vlasta on Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:23 pm

Hi! I think the book Weapons and Warfare in Viking and Medieval Dublin by Andrew Halpin may be of interest for you, there's a chapter 'Historical background: warfare and weapons in medieval Ireland - The Hiberno-Norse period / The Anglo-Norman Conquest (c.1170-1200)' and you may find some useful references in the bibliography there too. I believe Archaeological Museum still has the book in stock, if you'd like to have look at it.
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Re: Irish Warrior

Postby templarcommander on Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:01 am

Thank you Dorota,

Most helpful.

I'll check that out.
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Re: Irish Warrior

Postby finnobreanan on Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:42 pm

vlasta wrote:Hi! I think the book Weapons and Warfare in Viking and Medieval Dublin by Andrew Halpin may be of interest for you, there's a chapter 'Historical background: warfare and weapons in medieval Ireland - The Hiberno-Norse period / The Anglo-Norman Conquest (c.1170-1200)' and you may find some useful references in the bibliography there too. I believe Archaeological Museum still has the book in stock, if you'd like to have look at it.

Thanks for the heads-up. The cheapest copy I could find here in the US was $165.00 USD, but the National Museum has it for 35 EUR! My copy is ordered. :D
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Re: Irish Warrior

Postby oleg on Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:41 pm

What's more, if you buy 3 books in museum, they give 100% discount on the cheapest of 3. Very useful.
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Bran-Deas - group, focused on Ireland(IX-XI) located in Kiev, Ukraine.
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Re: Irish Warrior

Postby Cathal on Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:16 pm

templarcommander wrote:One last question, I am looking for a Large Viking Battle Axe, can ye suggest any suppliers?


Heya Con, long time no see.

Check http://www.reenactors-shop.de/index.php ... oepfe.html
I'd say, the 26 x 27 cm, ca. 1,55 kg is what you need. 8-)

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Re: Irish Warrior

Postby templarcommander on Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:36 pm

Hi there Stefan,

thanks for that. Just ordered said item.

Yes it has been too long, must meet up this year if possible.

Until then, take care.
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Re: Irish Warrior

Postby finnobreanan on Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:26 am

finnobreanan wrote:Kevin,
That paper looks very interesting, so I did a quick search and the whole document is available online:
http://www.slashdocs.com/vqmi/armour-an ... eland.html

Thanks for the heads-up.


Well, I can't recommend this paper, even it it did win an undergraduate award.
I finally had a chance to read it, and if I would have submitted something like this when I was an undregrad, my history professors would have thrown it back in my face.
The Thesis is that the Irish wore armor at the time of the Norman invasion, that it was not a factor, and then provides no proof. Three fourths of the paper is devoted to Norman and Eurpopean armor of the time of the invasion, but provides little to no evidence that the Irish did use it. Most of the sources quoted are secondary and taken out of context. When the author does qote from Irish sources, they totally confuse an "Ionair" with a "Cotun", two very different garments.
The only support for Irish wearing armor is a quote concerning a "gift of fifty of 50 suits of armor" and booty taken from castle Kildare in 1187.
The author's assumption that armor peircing arrow heads found in Dublin excavations is absurd. Vikings were fighting rival Vikings, that is no proof that the Irish were armored. The "Perponderance" of these points does not make an Irish soldier armored.
The author contradicts themselves frequently when they do quote primary sources.
The paper is well written, but began with a thesis the author did not support with evidence. Just bad history.
It is going into my recycle bin.
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Re: Irish Warrior

Postby Stephen Curtin on Fri Mar 15, 2013 10:30 am

Well Scott as my phone won't let me access this paper, I can't comment on its worth. I can tell you however, that Dr. Haplin's book is excellent.
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