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Lucas Type 2: real patterns and hands on experience

Postby oleg on Mon Mar 14, 2011 8:06 pm

Hi,

I'm in the process of sewing Type 2 shoes. The most important photo I have shows curved up toe.
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I wonder how it's made. Should be stretched over a wooden last or something like that.
Another question is about real pattern. I guess, it will be easier to grasp the idea after seeing more examples.
So if you have examples of Type2 shoes, you know good seller or know how to make them close to real finds - your suggestions are appreciated.
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Re: Lucas Type 2: real patterns and hands on experience

Postby pajo on Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:30 pm

I have a pattern for them, its contaned in a whole word document I have on FOotwear in Ireland, not sure where I got it as I have it a while... you have an email I could send it to?
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Re: Lucas Type 2: real patterns and hands on experience

Postby oleg on Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:00 am

Hi,
Thanks for your help.
I have Footwear in Ireland, the article by Lukas. This article, although with missing images, is available at
http://www.reocities.com/billymagfhloin ... cle11.html

I'm looking for some photos or more exact patterns.
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Re: Lucas Type 2: real patterns and hands on experience

Postby brendan on Tue Mar 15, 2011 3:07 pm

I have made them, have a pattern that I cant share as I got if for free someone who makes shoes professionally on the basis that I wouldnt
Key stuff:
-Single piece of leather. You can make a pattern using cloth wrapped in tape and then marked and cut
- a critical bit of the heel assembly is that the vertical seam needs to be disrupted by a tongue type overlap - think of an upside down L ...essentiall a vertical tear is limited by the horizontal stitches

A nice bit felted fleece for the insoles is also a must...oh and dont wear on gravel!

IF shoes is your thing then get the book Stepping Through Time. It is expensive but has literally hundreds of patterns
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Re: Lucas Type 2: real patterns and hands on experience

Postby pajo on Tue Mar 15, 2011 3:37 pm

The Lukas article is the one I have, tho I have the images as well... they're simple images, but make it quiet straightforward.
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Re: Lucas Type 2: real patterns and hands on experience

Postby finnobreanan on Wed Mar 16, 2011 5:28 pm

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Re: Lucas Type 2: real patterns and hands on experience

Postby oleg on Wed Mar 16, 2011 7:38 pm

Hey guys,

thanks for the hints/images/offers. I have the Lukas article, together with images.

Did you make Type 2 shoes yourself? Can you share images/examples of your work?

Here is the problem I've got with the shoe. How to make it without folds and cuts, from a plain piece of leather? The video is attached
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5C5nJ4Cvhg
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Re: Lucas Type 2: real patterns and hands on experience

Postby the_power on Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:10 pm

https://picasaweb.google.com/john.loone ... 5473487266 is the only photo I have of my second attempt.

Despite the cool parallax, they did actually turn out the same shape :)

I'm not sure what hints etc. I could share - other than you should use a bent awl, so you can tunnel-stitch accurately and carefully. I think next time, i'd use thinner leather, so it doesn't bunch as much when it's pulled tight. You should see no external seams, except for the small bit at the toe.

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Re: Lucas Type 2: real patterns and hands on experience

Postby oleg on Fri Mar 18, 2011 10:40 am

John, thanks for your comment.
Yours is type 1. Decent shoes, I like them.
But I'm looking for type 2, sewn in the middle.
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Re: Lucas Type 2: real patterns and hands on experience

Postby consmiles on Fri Mar 18, 2011 7:17 pm

Hi Oleg,
attached is my first effort at a pair of Lucas Type 2 shoes. Size 9. One piece of 3mm vege-tan leather each, sown with bees waxed linen thread with center seam displayed with ornate cross over stitching. Price E130 plus P+P. I doubt if there were rules or fashion police counting stitches and suggest that there must have been as many variations on a basic theme as there were shoemakers. Later this year I will produce a version with a hardened leather out-sole. Please see Roscommon Sword on Facebook for more photos of leather footwear and hardened leather helms that I make.
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