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Iberians??

PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 10:48 pm
by Fahey
hi everyone.
i have a few questions :)
ok is it excepted fact that iberian celts came to ireland pre iron age or around then?
ive read that there are strong genetics to suggest this , but im no scholar :oops: , im hear to learn and the internet can be tricky when so many things can contradict .
if this is the case i found this site the other day
http://www.tartan.galician.org/kilts.htm
im not promoting tartans or kilts as they are now ,dont worry :D
but the figure drawn at the top part , those cloths look very flashy like embroidered from knee to waist or even neck to waist i would guess, kinda like they are described in myths :?
im in the process of reading threw this
http://www.uwm.edu/Dept/celtic/ekeltoi/ ... index.html
but if they did come over would they not have kept the same style of dress?
any thoughts?

Re: Iberians??

PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 1:48 pm
by finnobreanan
There is very strong genetic evidence that the Irish came through the coast of Iberia and France, but we are talking thousands of years ago and pre-Celtic at that. Check out the book: Saxons, Vikings and Celts: The Genetic Roots of Britain and Ireland, by Sykes.

Re: Iberians??

PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 10:46 pm
by Fahey
ok , thank you very much :D
i was not sure

Re: Iberians??

PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 6:11 pm
by Morcant
Maybe we can speak aswell of a common "Atlantic culture" with centuries of trade, migrations in one way or another between the people of the Iberic peninsula, western Gaul, Ireland and west of Britain. A common ancestry, reinforced by several migrations. The case of Ireland seems obvious, but there is aswell the Silures in South Wales which Tacitus in the 2d century AD described as having the same physical appearance as Spaniards, and in the south of Brittany, where once lied the territory of the Veneti and where nowadays is Morbihan, lot of people look more 'Mediterranean' than 'nordic', with black hair and a somewhat dark skin. There is a strong belief in a spanish ancestry due to a garrison of Spanish soldiers in the XVIth century, but it's likely an older origin than this! Take this and the fact the Breton dialect here often keep the last syllabe when other breton dialects don't have it, ending up with names looking very iberic such as 'Rio' (litteraly 'king' from a celtic *Rigo) and you get much confusion ;)

Re: Iberians??

PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 10:13 pm
by Fahey
this is very interesting indeed.
the main reason i started looking there (iberia) was to look for clothing similarities or any chance of because there is little on pre-history ireland(that i know of)
would it not make more sense to look here instead of germany and danish finds? just a thought :D

Re: Iberians??

PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 1:16 pm
by Morcant
Probably, at least for iron age ;)

Re: Iberians??

PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 1:27 pm
by finnobreanan
Conri,

If you haven't read this thread yet, you may want to check it out:
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=148

Re: Iberians??

PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 9:51 pm
by Fahey
finn , thank you for that link , some great info and books to check out :)

Re: Iberians??

PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 10:23 pm
by Dave Mooney
I wonder did they arrive in coach loads and fleece the local shops like they do now? :twisted:

Re: Iberians??

PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 2:35 pm
by ocianain
Some thought provoking things on this site:

http://conamara.org/

Did the Celts settle/trade with North Africa? The Berbers are sometimes claimed to have been red haired and blue eyed! Would make sense, in the age of sail Ireland would be a strategic trading point, even today the prevailing winds come out of the west (it's one reason England ruled the waves, the could always put to sea while Continental European maritime powers would be either stuck in port, or, would have to sail to the south to catch trade winds to bring them north)so whoever controlled the far west harbors controlled the trade routes (the reason England always wanted Ireland)