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Re: Scians

Postby Swifty on Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:47 am

Seathrun wrote:Yeah looks great
So how early were these used? Is there evidence in the 900s to 1000?
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Nice try but the answer is nope.
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Re: Scians

Postby Seathrun on Thu Dec 02, 2010 1:49 am

I did not think so. Or at least I had never seen finds that early. Looks like I will keep using my seax then.
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Re: Scians

Postby kevin714 on Fri Dec 03, 2010 12:04 am

Seathrun wrote:Yeah looks great
So how early were these used? Is there evidence in the 900s to 1000?
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The earliest description I have seen is 1397;

"In 1397, Catalonian Count, Ramon de Perellos made such a pilgrimage to the shire of St. Patrick in Donegal. The Count wrote a journal of the entire experience including his stay at the Court of the King of Ulster, The O'Neill. In that journal he describes in detail the 40 "horsemen" or knights attending the Great King, "They ride without saddles on a cushion and each wears a cloak according to his rank. They are armed with coats of mail and round iron helmets like the moors and Saracens. Some of them are like the Bernese. They have swords and very long knives and long lances."
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Re: Scians

Postby Seathrun on Fri Dec 03, 2010 3:45 am

Great info. I am just getting started on a latter period kit.
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Re: Scians

Postby kevin714 on Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:24 am

Seathrun wrote:Yeah looks great
So how early were these used? Is there evidence in the 900s to 1000?
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Swifty, I know you said that there wasn't any evidence but these finds from Lagore(E and F) look very much like a scian and are said to be 7th to 9th century and the other is from the Dalraida(Argyll) area of Scotland and said to be as early as 5th century. I would like to hear your opinion on them.
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Re: Scians

Postby Billy on Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:38 am

I always thought the scians from Lagore were legit for Early Medieval use, and the Dal Riada example really seems to seal the deal.
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Re: Scians

Postby Swifty on Thu Jun 28, 2012 11:53 pm

Yes Kevin - well 'E' certainly looks to fit the bill - whereas the Dal Riada specimen and 'F' may be typical medieval European knives. So my first question is where do you get your dating from - is it stratigraphic and beyond doubt?
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Re: Scians

Postby kevin714 on Fri Jun 29, 2012 2:15 am

Swifty wrote:Yes Kevin - well 'E' certainly looks to fit the bill - whereas the Dal Riada specimen and 'F' may be typical medieval European knives. So my first question is where do you get your dating from - is it stratigraphic and beyond doubt?


I was hoping you could clarify the dates, the Dal Riada dates come from the National Museum of Scotland which is where it is located. The Lagore finds I thought were well documented but I got the dates from the internet so they could be wrong, can you verify?
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